Oversleeping and anti-zealotry
I hate over sleeping… especially, when I wake up, look at the clock, and get pissed off at it because I have to get up *NOW* to avoid being late for work. Hmm, maybe I should sleep earlier
Also, I can’t stand opera zealots (you know, the ones that fluff up everytime you say something bad about Opera, and then criticize mozilla users for supporting their browser). Really, I’m against software zealotry of any kind. I use Opera and I use Firefox (Firefox 99% of the time). I do not like the Opera browser itself, personally. It’s probably a great piece of software to many other users, and more power to them. It has great standards support, among other nice features, but it’s not for me.
Recent posting on the MozillaZine forums by certain Opera zealots (It seems that only the annoying opera users visit the MozillaZine forums. I’ve never seen a “normal Opera user.” By “normal”, I mean, think of my feelings towards opera. I’d like to see an opera user with those feelings towards firefox). I’m not saying they should worship, or even acknowledge firefox. Hell, they can bash the hell out of it for all I care… (within reason, as long as it’s not trolling, in which case I’ll lock the post). I guess these particular users think they deserve something just because they’re Opera users on a Mozilla forum.
April 27th, 2005at 1:46 pm
Good grief, man … I have found the zealots at Mozillazine and in irc.mozilla.org to be insufferable. There are a lot of snobs over there, from my experience.
I have found Opera Forum participants and irc.opera.com chatters much more open-minded and reasonable in discussing anything where more than one browser happens to be mentioned.
April 27th, 2005at 2:42 pm
I’m sure there are some, and I’ll admit there are, but that’s at MozillaZine’s forums, not the opera forums. It’s when a firefox user goes over to the opera forums and trolls against opera when we should be concerned, and vice versa. That being said, I don’t like zealots of any kind. I’m a rabid firefox supporter, but I’m not militant about it.
From my experience the only people that post on the MozillaZine forums who support opera are drooling retard fanboys. That being said, I’m sure the opera community is full of level-headed, straight-thinking people, but none of those particular people come to our side of the fence.
April 27th, 2005at 3:12 pm
Actually, I was talking about Mozillazine posters that bash Opera unashamedly in the Mozillazine Forums regularly. They misinform people routinely about Opera over there. When someone tries to set the record straight, he is labelled a troll that should be banned. That is a shame.
April 27th, 2005at 3:16 pm
I would like to also add that there are many level-headed that would like to post at Mozillazine but often are shouted down or are subject to demeaning language for liking Opera more than Firefox and wishing to clarify some erroneous posting regarding Opera.
I saw one guy use a graphical image in his signature of a Firefox logo character sexually assaulting an Opera logo. And the guy is still in the Mozillazine Forums while those that have made it a goal of theirs to help correct some of the anti-Opera drivel at Mozillazine are eventually banned.
April 27th, 2005at 3:21 pm
Humm, ok. This is the typical whine I hear from Opera users. You can either a)Ignore it, or b)make a rebuttal. The choice is yours.
I am a moderator at the MozillaZine forum. Nobody is going to be banned for stating their opinion. It’s real trolls and flamers that get banned. If anyone is banned or a post is locked without good reason, I usually say something about it. Any user that labels a person that is just “setting the record straight” should be ignored, since they aren’t the official voice of MozillaZine staff. Any comments you see by me are from my user-self, not my moderator-self. Those are just my opinions. If you feel any user is harassing or attacking you, notify a moderator.
April 27th, 2005at 3:26 pm
I have never seen this, but if I had, I would take close look and scrutiny as to whether action should be taken.
Nobody has been banned without good reason. I can’t think of any opera users that have been banned from the mozillazine forums that weren’t trolling. Please give me names and relevant post URLs of people who you think have been wrongfully banned. Our moderators take their jobs very seriously, and almost every action is taken with thorough thought and review.
April 27th, 2005at 3:32 pm
Well, I have been banned for simply stating my opinion regarding Opera. I have even sent an email asking why I was banned without a response.
I rarely ever began a thread, but simply responded to some misinformation being presented about Opera and how to make the Opera user experience even better when somebody questioned why/how Opera does something or doesn’t do something.
I have been respectful to people and have even helped others with Firefox questions and mentioned that I thought Firefox was good stuff (even if I preferred Opera).
Honestly, I am baffled as to why I was banned. It has left me with an extremely bad taste in my mouth about Mozillazine. Open Source software forums should allow Open Communication I think.
Personally, I see Mozillazine as a place that can be quite hostile to those who simply want to “set the record straight” about non-Mozilla products when they are ‘bashed.’
While I expect some hostility given the territory, I don’t expect to be banned for being a voice of reason that might not sing the praises of Firefox in the process of doing so.
Mozillazine should welcome complimentary/clarifying talk regarding Opera or any other software that might directly compete with Firefox/Thunderbird. It might serve as an impetus to make FF/TB better, after all.
April 27th, 2005at 3:41 pm
Are you TreeGo? You were banned with good reason. Firstly, you trolled your stupid referral links all over the forums (in your sig, and in AfterDark). That’s probably what got you your week-long ban (if you read the rules, you’d know about these things). Then you constantly posted three times in a row in one thread. It’s not your opinions that were of bad regard, it was your behavior. Don’t turn it around into something else.
April 27th, 2005at 3:46 pm
quoteNobody has been banned without good reason. I can?t think of any opera users that have been banned from the mozillazine forums that weren?t trolling. Please give me names and relevant post URLs of people who you think have been wrongfully banned. Our moderators take their jobs very seriously, and almost every action is taken with thorough thought and review.
I have been banned. I am NOT a troll, either. I am a very sincere person (I am a disabled Christian husband & father of three children who enjoys his time at home dabbling with software (when not busy with the family) to keep my mind functional (learning) and off my unfortunate problems with my body.
I cannot give you URL’s because I am banned and have no access to the forum anymore.
April 27th, 2005at 3:52 pm
Like I said, you were banned for spamming your referral link.
April 27th, 2005at 3:52 pm
I did not know that my affiliate link was such a terrible thing, to be honest. I had not read the forum rules — for that, I wish I would have. I did take the week long ban as a result of my ignorance in that regard.
Secondly, I made consecutive posts to respond to 25 separate points made by a poster who routinely bashes Opera at Mozillazine. I could have responded with a much longer post addressing those things, but chose to break it down into separate posts. I don’t see why that is something that is deemed worthy of ban without warning.
My opinions are okay, but not my behavior? I don’t fully understand that. My behavior of making consecutive posts? Again, it was the easiest way for me to respond to a multi-point thread begun by an avowed anti-Opera crusader.
April 27th, 2005at 3:57 pm
The multi-posting thing is more of a warnable offence than bannable (at least, IMO, but since you had made an infraction in the past, you’re more prone to punishment). The referral link is. Plus, your ban time isn’t up yet. (Someone unbanned you by mistake, then someone did it again, I think)
That’s what I know about it.
April 27th, 2005at 4:06 pm
Well, thank you for your time.
I’ve stated my feeling about this.
You have listened and responded which is better than I had been getting from the email I sent asking for clarification.
It is your Mozillazine Forum and can do what you wish, obviously. I just would have liked some forewarning rather than a sudden ban.
I understand that you don’t want Opera filling up the forum — it is understandable. But, again, I don’t start the threads (rarely did I ever start a thread) — I just contribute clarifications where I feel it is only right to make a proper assertation about Opera’s capabilities and attractiveness.
Again, thank you for your time.
April 27th, 2005at 4:10 pm
I never said that. Do not put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say it was wrong for you to defend Opera. Nobody said that. You guys need to stop putting words in our mouths. You’ve misbehaved in the past on the forums and on IRC, and the referral link was the final nail in the coffin, so to speak. That is why you were banned. Stop this bullshit free speech hero story.
April 27th, 2005at 4:42 pm
How can I reason with you when you are so vulgar now?
I would think it is common sense that Mozillazine would not want every other thread discussing Opera.
Perhaps I am wrong about that? I doubt it.
I would say the same thing in reverse about Opera Forums. They would not want every other thread there discussign Firefox I am quite confident.
As far as misbehavior, I have not ‘raped’ anybody’s Firefox logo in response to an anti-Opera rant. But raping an Opera logo with Firefox-logo stick men is on the forum. ? I am not rude to people or vulgar or demeaning to people at all.
I am not saying I am a hero, either, however.
April 27th, 2005at 4:54 pm
Yeah, ok. Let’s just concentrate on me being “vulgar” instead of the actual point.
We rarely get threads about opera, so why should we be afraid of that happening?
I never said you were, again, stop putting words in my mouth. I am tired of repeating myself like a broken record. If you don’t get it by now, I should just stop replying to you.
April 27th, 2005at 5:02 pm
You say I misbehaved routinely earlier and now agree that I am not rude to people or vulgar or demeaning.
Other than the affiliate thing which we have already discussed (and admitted my ignorance about that), I am at a loss for why I am banned.
If you don’t want people giving level responses about Opera when others bring it up, then I wish you would just make Opera not allowable discussion material altogether at Mozillazine.
April 28th, 2005at 1:10 pm
Let me give you a short and general definition of trolling. But first, let me point out what trolling is not. Trolling is not stating an opinion people disagree with, or even something that pisses somebody off. No, trolling is being dense, purposely trying cause hate and discontent within the setting of an online community. Such as what you are doing right now. I have read through all the comments on here, and I for some reason don’t get the idea that you are ‘getting it’ so to speak, either that, or you are purposely just trying to piss Nosebleed off.
April 28th, 2005at 1:31 pm
I am not trying to cause hate or discontent in Mozillazine, Tristor. I am only trying to clarify wrong assertions made about Opera at Mozillazine in a gentlemanly way. If correcting wrong statements made about Opera at Mozillazine causes hate or discontent, what can I do about that?
April 28th, 2005at 1:45 pm
Nosebleed:
I keep getting messages like this which I cannot access at all. Is there anyway for me to see these messages? Maybe you could give a message to the senders that I cannot access my messages, perhaps? Thanks.
Hello TreeGo,
You have received a new private message to your account on “MozillaZine” and you have
requested that you be notified on this event. You can view your new message by clicking on
the following link:
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Remember that you can always choose not to be notified of new messages by changing the
appropriate setting in your profile.
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Thanks, The MozillaZine Admins
April 28th, 2005at 2:48 pm
I don’t know who sent you your message. I can’t read other users PMs.
I think we’ve about exhausted this matter. Closing comments.